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Author Topic: Google or Google Base
RonHoll
Posts: 112
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 19, 2010 at 12:33:04)

 
re: Original topic: Google product feeds are all working well now. Images have been added, for listings that have them.

re: smaller sites like SBE and WBM: It all comes down to price and availability. Given, of course, that we can be found.

re: chars per post: It should allow 2000 characters.


Chris and Guy, thanks for all the support.

 
mrpickwick
Posts: 10
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 19, 2010 at 09:40:29)

 
They only allow me 1000 characters on this Forum, hartmann, which is what I normally burn up in my greetings in a post, so I cannot answer your points in detail.

Of course the "Big 3" are "getting bigger" and will continue to do so.

So let them. (Wise advice really, since we can't stop them doing so).

What we have to do is build our own little castles and forts, and if I understand what Ron is attempting here, he is trying a bit of that brickwork.

Obviously we have been doing something similar (although different) at our WBM co-op.

The little people always win in the end, incidentally.

Great snorting dinosaurs don't last. Little bi-peds with oversized brains do.

Many of the little sites you mention which came and went (or have all but gone) offered nothing other than hope.

It will be important for Ron here to make sure the SM site does more than that, and provides concrete utilities and "extras" for its members, just as we have done at the WBM.

That is the secret formula.

I am confident that he will do this.

Cheers,

Guy Weller (Mr Pickwick)
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 19, 2010 at 06:04:27)

 
"We just have to be patient, is all"

Guy: I've already been waiting quite a number of years for any movement to happen. Ever since TomFolio was founded. I have been on Rhett Moran's site and UsedBookCentral, both gone now. I am currently on Bibliophile, Choosebooks, CollectorsBookMarket, Bonanzle, eBid and my own website. Still no movement and the big get bigger. I currently do not sell on any of the Big 3 and I'm barely selling anything.


 
scotkamins
Posts: 10
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 18, 2010 at 21:09:15)

 
Following up on this, I'm wondering what we can do to help develop that marketplace. I'm thinking that spreading the word to other sellers that venues like ours exist is one way. But how do we get the word out to buyers?
 
mrpickwick
Posts: 10
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 18, 2010 at 18:49:51)

 
Hartmann - I think what is sometimes overlooked is that the smaller (boutique) sites are not so much offering us SELLERS important new choices, as offering same to a growing band of BUYERS out there.

The vast horde of online buyers will stampede down the Az/Abe/Alibris paths - these are the pre-set and easy channels for them.

But there is a steadily growing band who are sick of the idiocy and primitive software interfaces at all of these sites, and are looking for a better crafted buying experience.

So the marketplace for sites like this one and ours is slowly forming, and it is one which will not prove fickle, and will not desert us.

We just have to be patient, is all.

Cheers,

Guy Weller (Mr Pickwick)
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 18, 2010 at 16:01:13)

 
Thank you, Mr. P. Very nice. Perhaps we can make a dent in the fender of the Big 3.
 
mrpickwick
Posts: 10
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 18, 2010 at 09:33:16)

 
Hi Hartmann,

Pickwick here. Yes, we'll be happy to help with all that sort of stuff.

We have made it clear after some posts by Ron on our WBM Forum that we are right behind this Scribblemonger site, and Ron has already created (in record time!) upload routines from our database format for the benefit of our members.

The more we smaller sites can pull on the ropes together, the better off we will all be. Arriba las pequenas!

The WBM is keen to offer this site whatever extra support or help benefits we can, and I think you will find that most of our WBM Members will soon be happily listing right here as well as their other sites.

Regards,

Guy Weller (Mr Pickwick)
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 18, 2010 at 06:08:05)

 
Thanks, Ron. It looks like Google Shopping is now populated with the Scribblemonger books and my books are showing up on searches. Nice work.
 
RonHoll
Posts: 112
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 17, 2010 at 14:37:47)

 
We'll use that SP resource if need be.

I think all the undocumented issues are known now. But Google is very slow. Also, a number of our listings have no description. While we don't allow that on manual insertion of listings, uploaded ones can get added that have no description. Google tosses listings with no description.

Apparently, Google thinks that NEEDLEPOINT FROM AMERICA'S GREAT QUILT DESIGNS is an inappropriate prohibited item since they are rejecting the almost dozen different variant copies of these we have listed on SBE.

We'll be feeding the most recent database values later on today. There are about 300,000 items up there (but only 309 are currently active as of this post).
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 17, 2010 at 05:04:22)

 
Thanks again, Ron. I know Google must be very difficult to deal with, even if you are a skilled programmer. And the whole thing is very time consuming I am sure. You might use some of Mr. Pickwick's people as a resource for questions. They seem to have a lot of knowledge of programming as it relates to bookselling, and because they are another small bookselling site, they should be sympathetic. You can contact them through the worldbookmarket forum.
 
RonHoll
Posts: 112
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 19:56:33)

 
Most are going up today. Google has all kinds of undocumented limits, like 100,000 items per feed; max of 10 feeds for a grand total of 1 million items. I don't know what happens if you reuse those 10 feeds (or create 10 differently named ones) to contain 1 million new items. Do the first million stick around along with the next million?

One problem is that some of the descriptions have characters that Google doesn't like. So, it stops processing the feed when it hits that character. This is preventing many from being inserted.

Also, they claim 24 to 72 hours before things show up.

So it will probably be a couple days yet.
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 18:27:55)

 
Ron, I tried searching Google>Shopping for some of my books, but I could not find any in the shopping results.

Perhaps you have have not gotten around to implementing the proper feed yet.
 
RonHoll
Posts: 112
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 18:18:15)

 
Chris, I'm not sure. I have the RSS feed on the site, so Google can be scheduled to upload it, and we can run a cron job to create new data at the same rate (obviously at an earlier time). Daily seems too often; maybe weekly as you suggest is the way to go.
 
hartmann
Posts: 43
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 18:07:09)

 
Thanks, Ron. That is good to know. I think the feed into the Merchant Center is all that most places try to do.

How frequent are the listing fed in - weekly ?
 
RonHoll
Posts: 112
re: Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 15:16:53)

 
We have all listings fed into Google Merchant Center. Having search engines find all listings on their own, however, is a bit trickier since the listing pages are all dynamic.

We'll have to see how well listings show up in Google once the data feed is processed.

 
hartmann
Posts: 43
Google or Google Base
(posted on: February 16, 2010 at 09:47:27)

 
Hi Ron -

Most selling venues now pipe all their data to either Google natural searchs or Google Base (the same as Google Shopping)so sellers get some search exposure and buyers can find particular titles.

Please give us a few comments on how SBE's now almost half a million books might be working with the search engines, and what we should be looking for in the future.

Thanks

 

 

 

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